EDEN or Phoenix?

[Bristel Akina]

This is a big question I have had in my mind for the past week or so.

I come from the eUSA, and maybe as a result, I am a staunch supporter of EDEN.
I don't have a problem with Phoenix supporters, but there are many reasons why I haven't supported Phoenix.

I was wondering what you guys feel and think about the super-alliances, and whether we should join one or the other, or join neither.

I believe that we should join an alliance, because without one, we are just stuck in between a "rock" (EDEN with the eUSA and eCanada to the west) and a "hard place" (Phoenix and the eUK to the east).

This doesn't help us, and political and military isolation doesn't serve us well at all.

I am of the belief that while fighting practice battles with the Sol Alliance is fun, and good for days when there are no direct battles (which is becoming everyday)... There is no substitution for fighting a real battle with the support of friends. (Such as the Northern Ireland battles).

There is a growing concern in eIreland that stagnation will forever hold us under, and that without being in an alliance, we cannot fulfill our wishes and desires.

Please comment about your beliefs, and let's open a friendly dialogue on this subject.

Rules of this thread:

1 - No flaming, I don't tolerate personal attacks.
2 - Please keep your posts legible, I don't tolerate confusing grammar or spelling.
3 - The above-mentioned rules are silly, so I am not going to enforce them strictly.
4 - US or UK English spelling is allowed, even Irish spelling! ;D

[Wandering Rian]

LOL... first, I don't tolerate personal attacks in any of my groups... had an issue with that once and I will shut down anyone that starts that kind of crap... you are safe here to express whatever opinions you have.

Can't help you with the legibility. HA!

IMO stagnation is a serious problem that we are struggling with. eIreland needs to move forward and everydway we don't is a day wasted.

That being said... The problem I have with both Pheonix and Eden is that we have little to bring to the party and I don't want to see us relegated to little brother status.

The course of action I would like to see is for us to make moves to make our country more valuable as an ally: Stronger economy, larger population, better organized military.

Perhaps we could start to form an alliance on our own.... seems like there should be some countries out there in the same position as we are. I don't know... just sorta thinking out loud.

I think though at this point we most need to start talking about it, just as you have done here. We need to think out loud and around corners.

[weedabixxx]

well then, let me start by saying DEATH TO RATAN!!! oops wrong game... lol.

As for starting our own alliance, I see that task as being immense...

if we join EDEN or Phx, can we leave when we wish or must we remain for a certain amount of time? or is it one of those : once u join u never leave?

sry Bristel for the ritting!

[Bristel Akina]

I think the issue with joining one of the major alliances, is that we will be ignored, or we'd be consider to be too weak, or can't contribute enough.

But I know that eIreland can contribute... We've seen it in the last few training wars... we can be on par with many of the countries like us.

This most important thing in either super-alliance, is co-ordination.

I know that eIreland will cooperate and work hard to see the goals of eIreland and of other countries come to fruition.

But eIreland also has to have a strong sense of independence, without alienating its friends and allies.

Several countries have done so, and it has led both super-alliances into threat of collapse, or at least several countries to leave their alliances.

Such as eIran, Phoenix had ignored and chided them for not participating, when in fact it was impossible for most real-life Iranians to log on several times due to their RL country blocking most internet access. eIran seriously considered leaving Phoenix, because they felt that Phoenix was being insensitive to the needs of the eIranians and RL Iranians.

eRomania also experienced this, but instead of a real inability to log on, they experienced being "ignored", and took offense to this. The possibility that they would have left EDEN was strong, even if no one in EDEN would admit it.

If eIreland were to join an alliance, we must be heard. We must cooperate, and we must voice our concerns clearly and calmly.

Sol Alliance is another possible choice, recently eIsrael joined, although I am not sure they are being helped as much as they should be.

ALA is out of the question, because eIreland is not Latino-American, as much as we could try joining by making everyone speak Spanish, that is unlikely to be a possibility in any case. lol

So, we come to three, maybe 4 or 5 options.

1 - We could join EDEN as a partial member, or full member.
This could lead Phoenix to attack us, since the eUK is no longer friendly. (They were never very friendly to begin with, as far as I believe).

2 - We could join Phoenix as a partial member or full member.
This could lead EDEN to attack us.

Neither choice is very bright, but either could work if we stay fairly independent and vocal.

3 - We could join Sol Alliance.
This choice may seem to be the best, but eIreland looks to more lofty goals, and Sol might not help us achieve them.
And if we join Sol, EDEN will not attack us unless provoked into doing so. Phoenix would have no problems with attacking us, because they have already done so with China, Malaysia, and other countries in Sol.
Again, we have the eUK next to us, and that is right at our doorstep.

4 - We could stay independent.
This would not stop Phoenix from attacking us, and would put us on low priority for protection from EDEN. We could be used as a pawn by either alliance.

5 - We could create a new alliance.
This could help other countries as well as ours, defensively, and economically.
This may seem like a good idea... But I am not sure other countries would join.

6 - We could join the Entente.
Again, this is a problem, because Entente countries except the Ukraine have all been attacked in the last 3 months, leading to eFrance being wiped out, and eGermany also being wiped out.
eItaly was attacked, and eSpain could have brought them down as well.

7 - We could join the "Brolliance". (eUSA and eCanada)
This might be a good situation for us in order to grow larger, being helped by two larger friendly countries who have helped us considerably in the past.
We could start new war games with either country, and EDEN would be more likely to protect us then. Also, if we work hard, EDEN might start to consider as allies, and allow us to join EDEN.

These are the only possibilities I can think of right now.

If there is any other possibility, please leave it below with a few reasons why that might be good.

As much as it is good that we are getting free war games with eMalaysia, that can't keep us running at profits in eIreland, and does nothing to further strengthen our country, unless we joined Sol completely.

[Wandering Rian]

You have a great grasp of the history and the world situation....

Can you fill me in on the Romanians? One of my right hand people, Jana is, by chance Romanian. Perhaps there is an advantage to be had with her being able to speak to them.

Just so you know, I've made a living finding those who have been ignored and getting them a voice... so you coments about Romania and Iran interest me greatly.

[Bristel Akina]

Yes, being able to speak Romanian is a great asset. That's pretty awesome.
I can understand Romanian just a bit, since it is a Romance language like Italian or French... But it is sufficiently dissimilar that I can't quite understand everything I read.

I speak French and some Spanish, and can understand some Japanese as well as speak it.

I just know the major situations from the past, and most of what happened since I joined in early December... But beyond that, I mostly just guess I what situations will be like, the choices in my previous post could have any outcome.

eRomania is a strong and proud country in-game... They have a long history of being strong, and they had an empire once. Being allied with eRomania would be a great thing for us in eIreland.

I don't know enough eIranians in order to make a comment on them, but they'd be good allies if we were in Phoenix.

[Wandering Rian]

Ha! I too speak a bit of Japanese having worked for Toyota for a while.

I shall, perhaps, send Jana to talk to the Romanians...

[Bristel Akina]

Alex Craciun seems to be on track for winning the election.

He'll be the president of Romania.

[mumblesthesnail]

so my slight opinion on alliances is we need a country that works together first before we can even grasp what it takes to be an alliance. I do hope things go well with Romania.

[Wandering Rian]

You know mumbles, you have a great point.... here is a story for you...

I am with one of the big wigs from Toyota motors.... we are inspecting a second tier supplier to see if we want to use them to supply us with some plastic parts.

He walks into the plant and then almost immediately turns around and walks out... the head of the plant runs after him... "What is wrong? What is wrong?"

Suzumora says, "IF you can not even sweep the floor, how are you going to be able to build my parts?"

[mumblesthesnail]

Yep that's exactly what i was thinking.

[weedabixxx]

sadly, only problem with that is that eIreland probably wont be a "functionning machine" for quite some time...

we have so much unrest at the moment within our country... and I dont see an end to it soon

[Bristel Akina]

Well, it seems that we joined the Brolliance... USA, Canada, Australia... So this will be a good thing for us if we can get more training battles, and more battles through MPPs.

[weedabixxx]

eUk is already eyeing us out... lol

[l1l1rayl1l1]

eUK won't do anything. They never have. They've been all talk for 2 years. They surrendered to EDEN a couple of months ago and they know if they were to give EDEN or Brolliance a reason to invade again they would. After the scare they received they're not going to do anything any time soon.